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		<title>By: Building an Entrepreneurial Network &#171; Business Models &#171; Innovation Leadership Network</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Building an Entrepreneurial Network &#171; Business Models &#171; Innovation Leadership Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] links usually already exist. That is the easy part for them. The hard part is getting their own internal systems to change &#8211; this often means they have to break some of the existing links in their system which is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;New Ideas in Old Systems&#8221;, by Tim Kastelle &#124; Teepin&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-4010</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;New Ideas in Old Systems&#8221;, by Tim Kastelle &#124; Teepin&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fundamental point that I was trying to make in yesterday’s post is that most of us are facing the same innovation problem: it is extremely difficult to get new ideas to spread within most organisations. We are a bit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3987</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah good point Phil, lets hope so.</description>
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		<title>By: Phillip Long</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3980</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: You&#039;re right in the goal of the charter school movement. It&#039;s much like isolating innovation groups in larger companies from the quarterly performance bottom line measures so they can experiment with less pressure and greater freedom.  My skepticism is in commitment of the districts in which they find themselves and the willingness to allow systemic or &#039;whole school&#039; experimentation.  Let&#039;s hope some really have this opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: You&#8217;re right in the goal of the charter school movement. It&#8217;s much like isolating innovation groups in larger companies from the quarterly performance bottom line measures so they can experiment with less pressure and greater freedom.  My skepticism is in commitment of the districts in which they find themselves and the willingness to allow systemic or &#8216;whole school&#8217; experimentation.  Let&#8217;s hope some really have this opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phil.  I like the use of &quot;grammar&quot; to explain the institutional structures constraining schools.  Your computer example provides a good example of how powerful this grammar can be. However, isn&#039;t the goal behind the Charter School experiment actually setting up a niche where large parts of this grammar are open to fundamental change?  How the grammar changes is ultimately a function of how much flexibility is allowed and how entrepreneurs decide to use this space.  I am not sure if, in practice, entrepreneurs have gained enough space to change this grammar.  But I guess time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil.  I like the use of &#8220;grammar&#8221; to explain the institutional structures constraining schools.  Your computer example provides a good example of how powerful this grammar can be. However, isn&#8217;t the goal behind the Charter School experiment actually setting up a niche where large parts of this grammar are open to fundamental change?  How the grammar changes is ultimately a function of how much flexibility is allowed and how entrepreneurs decide to use this space.  I am not sure if, in practice, entrepreneurs have gained enough space to change this grammar.  But I guess time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Institutional Innovation &#171; Complex Systems &#171; Innovation Leadership Network</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3761</link>
		<dc:creator>Institutional Innovation &#171; Complex Systems &#171; Innovation Leadership Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Romer argues that the way around this is to stop fighting to change the institutions, but to create new ones in protected regions. I&#8217;m not convinced that the idea will work, but I think it is a pretty good example of re-thinking problems that seem intractable to those that are deeply embedded within a system that needs to change (see the discussion from yesterday&#8217;s post and the day before&#8217;s). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Romer argues that the way around this is to stop fighting to change the institutions, but to create new ones in protected regions. I&#8217;m not convinced that the idea will work, but I think it is a pretty good example of re-thinking problems that seem intractable to those that are deeply embedded within a system that needs to change (see the discussion from yesterday&#8217;s post and the day before&#8217;s). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3748</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughtful comment Phil - I&#039;m never quite sure what to do when the comments are better than the posts!  I hope that CEIT is able to successfully invade the host - I&#039;ll do what I can to help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful comment Phil &#8211; I&#8217;m never quite sure what to do when the comments are better than the posts!  I hope that CEIT is able to successfully invade the host &#8211; I&#8217;ll do what I can to help!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Sam - I think that Phil&#039;s reply probably addresses it far better than I can!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Sam &#8211; I think that Phil&#8217;s reply probably addresses it far better than I can!</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Long</title>
		<link>http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-3740</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charter schools are &#039;supposed&#039; to provide an alternative less bounded by the grammar of school that binds the disparate elements of educational organisations together in a tight grip.  I would like to be more optimistic about them, but Tyak and Cuban&#039;s dissection of what happened to the innovation of computers during their initial introduction by motivated teachers in their classrooms raises deep concerns.

&quot;The first microcomputers in schools were in the classrooms of visionary teachers who used them (often with LOGO) in very personal ways to cut across deeply rooted features of School (what Tyack and Cuban neatly call &quot;the grammar of school&quot;) such as a bureaucratically imposed linear curriculum, separation of subjects, and depersonalization of work. School responded to this foreign body by an &quot;immune reaction&quot; that blocked these subversive features: The control of computers was shifted from the classrooms of subversive teachers into &quot;computer labs&quot; isolated from the mainstream of learning, a computer curriculum was developed... in short, before the computer could change School, School changed the computer.&quot;
from Papert, S., http://www.papert.org/articles/school_reform.html

Matt P. has zeroed in on a  major problem.

&quot;Where failure is costly, innovation will slow to a crawl or stop altogether.&quot;  (Matt Perez in response to T. Kastelle&#039;s blog post &#039;Fighting the System&#039; (http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/)

Failure in schools is not just costly, it&#039;s unacceptable! How many school systems consider failure an acceptable option?  Of course, some systems (NYC public schools, Chicago public schools, etc.) are systematically looking at low performing schools and closing them down, redistributing the children into newly constituted schools in the charter movement, or just redirecting the students to adequately performing existing schools.  But therein lies the dilemma. Some social structures are difficult to reform - Papert&#039;s `article after all was entitled, &quot;Why School Reform is Impossible.&quot;

We&#039;re left with the alternative that the evolutionary process must include colonising new biomes, much like island speciation (which, is a good analogy to Christenen&#039;s argument that innovation happens best where there is no prior existing product or market to stifle the new idea). Given the importance of certification of schools by some authority this is indeed a huge challenge. Private for-profit institutions and newer open universities are perhaps the closest examples of experiments of this type.

I direct a Centre for Educational Innovation and Technology but I realise that we may well represent the invading antibody that the university antigens are trying to surround to protect themselves from the ramifications of the change we represent. In Papert&#039;s words,

&quot;School responded to this foreign body by an &quot;immune reaction&quot; that blocked these subversive features: The control of computers [any innovation] was shifted from the classrooms of subversive teachers into &quot;computer labs&#039; [protected spaces, like R&amp;D centres] isolated from the mainstream of learning, a computer curriculum was developed... in short, before the computer [new innovation] could change School, School changed the computer [contained and sequestered the new innovation].

Tim has pointed out vividly this process in business by reminding us that Xerox Parc was one of the most innovative and creative hotbeds of new ideas and technologies influencing laterally dozens of companies and millions of people. Yet Xerox the company remained immune to these innovations and failed capitalise successfully on a single one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charter schools are &#8216;supposed&#8217; to provide an alternative less bounded by the grammar of school that binds the disparate elements of educational organisations together in a tight grip.  I would like to be more optimistic about them, but Tyak and Cuban&#8217;s dissection of what happened to the innovation of computers during their initial introduction by motivated teachers in their classrooms raises deep concerns.</p>
<p>&#8220;The first microcomputers in schools were in the classrooms of visionary teachers who used them (often with LOGO) in very personal ways to cut across deeply rooted features of School (what Tyack and Cuban neatly call &#8220;the grammar of school&#8221;) such as a bureaucratically imposed linear curriculum, separation of subjects, and depersonalization of work. School responded to this foreign body by an &#8220;immune reaction&#8221; that blocked these subversive features: The control of computers was shifted from the classrooms of subversive teachers into &#8220;computer labs&#8221; isolated from the mainstream of learning, a computer curriculum was developed&#8230; in short, before the computer could change School, School changed the computer.&#8221;<br />
from Papert, S., <a href="http://www.papert.org/articles/school_reform.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.papert.org/articles/school_reform.html</a></p>
<p>Matt P. has zeroed in on a  major problem.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where failure is costly, innovation will slow to a crawl or stop altogether.&#8221;  (Matt Perez in response to T. Kastelle&#8217;s blog post &#8216;Fighting the System&#8217; (<a href="http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/" rel="nofollow">http://timkastelle.org/blog/2010/02/fighting-the-system/</a>)</p>
<p>Failure in schools is not just costly, it&#8217;s unacceptable! How many school systems consider failure an acceptable option?  Of course, some systems (NYC public schools, Chicago public schools, etc.) are systematically looking at low performing schools and closing them down, redistributing the children into newly constituted schools in the charter movement, or just redirecting the students to adequately performing existing schools.  But therein lies the dilemma. Some social structures are difficult to reform &#8211; Papert&#8217;s `article after all was entitled, &#8220;Why School Reform is Impossible.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re left with the alternative that the evolutionary process must include colonising new biomes, much like island speciation (which, is a good analogy to Christenen&#8217;s argument that innovation happens best where there is no prior existing product or market to stifle the new idea). Given the importance of certification of schools by some authority this is indeed a huge challenge. Private for-profit institutions and newer open universities are perhaps the closest examples of experiments of this type.</p>
<p>I direct a Centre for Educational Innovation and Technology but I realise that we may well represent the invading antibody that the university antigens are trying to surround to protect themselves from the ramifications of the change we represent. In Papert&#8217;s words,</p>
<p>&#8220;School responded to this foreign body by an &#8220;immune reaction&#8221; that blocked these subversive features: The control of computers [any innovation] was shifted from the classrooms of subversive teachers into &#8220;computer labs&#8217; [protected spaces, like R&amp;D centres] isolated from the mainstream of learning, a computer curriculum was developed&#8230; in short, before the computer [new innovation] could change School, School changed the computer [contained and sequestered the new innovation].</p>
<p>Tim has pointed out vividly this process in business by reminding us that Xerox Parc was one of the most innovative and creative hotbeds of new ideas and technologies influencing laterally dozens of companies and millions of people. Yet Xerox the company remained immune to these innovations and failed capitalise successfully on a single one.</p>
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		<dc:creator>New Ideas in Old Systems &#171; Business Models &#171; Innovation Leadership Network</dc:creator>
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